http://abrx6wcpzkfpwxb5eb2wsra2wnkrv2macdtkpnrepswodz5jxd4schyd.onion/im.xhtml
http://63gxkfc4hlcbxrdoepw2i2hyxai5qkxmi636ag3y7sf5tq3imoya.b32.i2p/im.xhtml
Planned:
- Finish Notes
- Write more extensively about XMPP
- Add Psych and that other Keysomethingsomething (Keybase?) one
> Matrix is deeply troubled.
Why? I mean I know the "mainstream" way of using Matrix is bad. Dominant homeserver (matrix.org) and horrible electron client (Element). However I host my own Matrix homeserver and I use the nheko client (written in C++, qt5) so with that kind of setup I think Matrix is a perfect choice. End-to-end encryption, multimedia and space (a combination of multiple rooms), voip and screenshare support, you don't have those in IRC or Session for an example.
hnhx > Matrix is deeply troubled.
Why? I mean I know the "mainstream" way of using Matrix is bad. Dominant homeserver (matrix.org) and horrible electron client (Element). However I host my own Matrix homeserver and I use the nheko client (written in C++, qt5) so with that kind of setup I think Matrix is a perfect choice. End-to-end encryption, multimedia and space (a combination of multiple rooms), voip and screenshare support, you don't have those in IRC or Session for an example.
Well that is less bad, but there's only one, or technically two, homeserver software's (Synapse and Dendrite) that actually work and no independent ones (Construct shut down and/or does not work as well iirc, also there were rumors that they were poo poo'd by the official team). They are massively resource heavy and bloated as compared to XMPP servers. It clones all the data about everything and is funded by money more questionable than XMPP at least.
Does the Nehko client (which last I tested froze and crashed) really support VOIP and screensharing, or is that just Jitsi in the web browser in a frame?
Multimedia and E2EE can be had in XMPP and IRC afaik. If you mean sending videos and images for sure yes. XMPP has E2EE, and I think IRC does but not 100% sure.
shadow hnhx > Matrix is deeply troubled.
Why? I mean I know the "mainstream" way of using Matrix is bad. Dominant homeserver (matrix.org) and horrible electron client (Element). However I host my own Matrix homeserver and I use the nheko client (written in C++, qt5) so with that kind of setup I think Matrix is a perfect choice. End-to-end encryption, multimedia and space (a combination of multiple rooms), voip and screenshare support, you don't have those in IRC or Session for an example.
Well that is less bad, but there's only one, or technically two, homeserver software's (Synapse and Dendrite) that actually work and no independent ones (Construct shut down and/or does not work as well iirc, also there were rumors that they were poo poo'd by the official team). They are massively resource heavy and bloated as compared to XMPP servers. It clones all the data about everything and is funded by money more questionable than XMPP at least.
Does the Nehko client (which last I tested froze and crashed) really support VOIP and screensharing, or is that just Jitsi in the web browser in a frame?
Multimedia and E2EE can be had in XMPP and IRC afaik. If you mean sending videos and images for sure yes. XMPP has E2EE, and I think IRC does but not 100% sure.
Dendrite is written in golang and its actually kinda well optimized, but sadly its still in development and it misses some features (like space support) however once its out people will just ditch synapse but ye I have to agree synapse is a mess written in python kek.
nheko never crashed for me, maybe your distro had an outdated binary? I use GNU Guix and nheko works fine here. VC works fine, screenshare is OK, altough I just use my mumble server to VC.
hnhx Dendrite is written in golang and its actually kinda well optimized, but sadly its still in development and it misses some features (like space support) however once its out people will just ditch synapse but ye I have to agree synapse is a mess written in python kek.
nheko never crashed for me, maybe your distro had an outdated binary? I use GNU Guix and nheko works fine here. VC works fine, screenshare is OK, altough I just use my mumble server to VC.
I tried both the Git and regular versions from the AUR, but this was months ago. Mumble is nice, I agree with that. IRC definitely does have E2EE (OTR). Maybe Nehko has improved, but Element will always have support first because it's the only officially supported one AFAIK. A lot of those things seem like extra effort to approximate what XMPP and IRC already are.
Also regarding the Construct, the rumor mill from HackerNews (comments link to a response): https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19365968
The link at the bottom of the page (IM comparison - Novaburst) is dead for some reason
xX-_Tendie-Lord_-Xx The link at the bottom of the page (IM comparison - Novaburst) is dead for some reason
I'll see what the deal is.
I'll be probably rewriting that one html file soon and moving it elsewhere, will give details about that later
akoizumi https://twt.nfld.uk/conv/uta3qca
Nice! Update coming shortly.
This is an interesting chat protocol which claims to be technically superior to XMPP and IRC.
https://psyc.eu/tech.en.html
https://psyc.eu/fixing-irc
https://about.psyc.eu/XMPP
Hi all. I was wondering if, in the years that this thread has laid idle, anyone has tried using delta chat?
bandd Hi all. I was wondering if, in the years that this thread has laid idle, anyone has tried using delta chat?
I have not, but I do think of it from time to time. It seems to still be maintained. The desktop client unfortunately uses electron (or a browser or this "Tauri" electron fork). I think the premise is decent though, as it literally just uses email in the background with an IM-like front end.
Have you tried it? What do you think of it? I think the electron usage is its biggest drawback at the moment. As, for example, with XMPP you can use a non-electron client. Maybe there are other clients we haven't heard of?
shadow bandd Hi all. I was wondering if, in the years that this thread has laid idle, anyone has tried using delta chat?
I have not, but I do think of it from time to time. It seems to still be maintained. The desktop client unfortunately uses electron (or a browser or this "Tauri" electron fork). I think the premise is decent though, as it literally just uses email in the background with an IM-like front end.
Have you tried it? What do you think of it? I think the electron usage is its biggest drawback at the moment. As, for example, with XMPP you can use a non-electron client. Maybe there are other clients we haven't heard of?
I've tried using it with friends since making that post. The deltachat-desktop client queries DNS when an email address is entered into the signup field, and it has some issues with ip leaks when using a proxy. Similar to how xmpp used to/does leak your ip when uploading images. There's an open issue on their github (https: github.com/deltachat/deltachat-desktop/issues/3093) and they seem to be working towards fixing that. There is a single ncurses client that's not in active development. Otherwise it's solid.
bandd shadow bandd Hi all. I was wondering if, in the years that this thread has laid idle, anyone has tried using delta chat?
I have not, but I do think of it from time to time. It seems to still be maintained. The desktop client unfortunately uses electron (or a browser or this "Tauri" electron fork). I think the premise is decent though, as it literally just uses email in the background with an IM-like front end.
Have you tried it? What do you think of it? I think the electron usage is its biggest drawback at the moment. As, for example, with XMPP you can use a non-electron client. Maybe there are other clients we haven't heard of?
I've tried using it with friends since making that post. The deltachat-desktop client queries DNS when an email address is entered into the signup field, and it has some issues with ip leaks when using a proxy. Similar to how xmpp used to/does leak your ip when uploading images. There's an open issue on their github (https: github.com/deltachat/deltachat-desktop/issues/3093) and they seem to be working towards fixing that. There is a single ncurses client that's not in active development. Otherwise it's solid.
Im not sure if it would still leak when using a full onion or garlic setup? Goes for both Delta and XMPP. How would the file upload leak if it was (and idk if it can be, never tried) was setup over darknet? Can DeltaChat use, for example, Postman something?
